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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 30 Nov 2018 11:03 #11

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Given that the emphasis for our bomber units at the time was tactical and strategic nuclear delivery, they probably thought it is was inefficient and wasteful to re-task these units for a short duration conventional anti-terrorist role. This was probably a proposal based on the idea of making the best use of available resources.

Given the wide knowledge of "enemy" , ie russian, transports of the time with "bomb aimers" windows, eg AN-10, AN-12 and some Tupolev and Illyushin transports, and with the availabliity of the window in the front lower fuselage of the Argosy, this probaly was not such as an outlandish step as you might think
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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 03 Dec 2018 11:18 #12

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Im wondering if some thought may have been given to replacing the Shackleton with the Argosy?

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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 03 Dec 2018 11:40 #13

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canberra wrote: Im wondering if some thought may have been given to replacing the Shackleton with the Argosy?


Did it have the range (at low level) that a Shackleton had?

The Shackleton might have the nickname of a 10,000 rivets flying in formation but it did look like a proper aircraft whilst the Argosy looked like a box with wings bolted on.

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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 03 Dec 2018 16:18 #14

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I believe the Argosy suffered from very high drag(as did the Belfast) and it was one of the reasons its service life was relatively short.

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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 04 Dec 2018 11:14 #15

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It wasnt only the Argosy that was a transporter with bombs. the Twin Pioneer could carry bombs.

And being cynical its service life was short because the RAF got the Hercules.

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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 04 Dec 2018 12:15 #16

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A recurring theme since the end of the war has been the contraction of the RAF, its funding, manpower and equipment, the reduction in its commitments both of capability and reach (location) and the increasing adoption of equipment that has multi role capabilities.

To simply blame the Hercules is a gross over-simplification
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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 05 Dec 2018 10:55 #17

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IIRC the Argosy made its maiden flight AFTER the Hercules maiden flight, I wonder if the RAF were told you will buy the Argosy whether you like it or not. Much in the same way that the RAF were told they were having the AEW Nimrod.
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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 06 Dec 2018 09:40 #18

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My lasting memory of the "Whistling T!t"... sorry... Argosy will always be the shuttle "Yimkin Airways" between Bahrein and Salalah - calling at Sharjah and Masirah (where I was based) in the late 60's. The bringer of great things like mail and fresh foodstuffs! Never had a reason to 'do' Salalah, though. But as the locals had a habit of lobbing the odd mortar on the place, it didn't bother me not going down there.

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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 06 Dec 2018 10:10 #19

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canberra wrote: IIRC the Argosy made its maiden flight AFTER the Hercules maiden flight, I wonder if the RAF were told you will buy the Argosy whether you like it or not. Much in the same way that the RAF were told they were having the AEW Nimrod.


I suspect this was partly to do with propping up the cash strapped aviation industry in the post war era.
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Armstrong Whitworth Argosy 06 Dec 2018 10:19 #20

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Back then aircraft were produced in response to an Air ministry requirement or specification

I doubt that the Americans were aware of it, let alone interested in tendering
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