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TOPIC: Airfield Bombing Ranges

Airfield Bombing Ranges 11 Dec 2013 07:26 #11

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One RSP for Bicester (No 11 circa January 1939) shows Building 101 as Shelter, Quadrant No 1 & 2 to drawing numbers 3313/37,
3?64/37 and (probably) 3464/37 so the number two drawing is probably 3463/37.

Two buildings with the same site number but one is in the south adjacent to the 25 yard range and just outside the stores railway spur and the other in the east adjacent to the Bomb Store. The first QS has a Directional Arrow with signals next to it on the right (NE)

The nominal centre of the (grass) landing area is indicated with a circle 150 yards diameter marked with chalk 4 feet wide.

On the northern perimeter (slightly east of north) just inside a dotted line track is a small square marked directly on the plan as 'Platform for Target'

RSP No 235/45 (which you have as 03082013-453) shows none of these.

So, you can record Bicester as having a controlled airfield range in early 1939. The DA points to an area somewhat east of the Landing Circle. Just what the purpose was of the target platform escapes me.

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Airfield Bombing Ranges 13 Dec 2013 12:45 #12

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The thing with airfields like Bicester is that they did have a proper range by 1939 but was this added in the later thirties or was it there when it was built around the bombing circle? I suspect not but have found no proof as some earlier plans show the bombing circle but no target or quadrants and that is no proof they weren't there because the plans do not always show everything.

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Airfield Bombing Ranges 14 Dec 2013 13:07 #13

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The 1939 plan does not have the centre of the grass surface marked as 'Bombing Circle' but as 'Landing Circle so I assume the LC superceded the BC.

As an aside, does anyone know if the smoke wind indicator shown on this and other similar pre-war grass fields was pyrotechnic or was it oil fired?

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Airfield Bombing Ranges 14 Dec 2013 20:55 #14

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Landing Circles are also found on airfields unrelated to bombers or ranges, they are a symbol of the main flying area of any airfield before runways became the norm.

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Airfield Bombing Ranges 01 Apr 2016 16:09 #15

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This is really a bump from previous questions on this thread.

1. Many aerodrome bombing ranges pre-war used the fort type watch office as quadrant No.1. Would this have been a separate window/room or would rge main windows have been used. Also do any of the drawings of the fort type mention quadrant tables or windows or rooms?

2. Where separate quadrant shelters were provided, normally at least one (see 1 above), what type would these have been? Given these were pre-war I suspect they were wooden and some had drawing numbers but to date I have not seen one in a period photo or a drawing of one. Most of these would have been removed as part of the initial expansion of airfield just prior to the war and in the first year or so when perimeter tracks were laid down.

The RAF Museum seem to have no plans for quadrant shelters and searching for ground based or low level obliques of bomber airfields from the period 1936 to 1939 always seems to miss the area where the separate quadrant is located or was taken shortly after it was removed. I have quite a lot on the targets and the ground signals and their locations, including the extant ones but the quadrants are proving to be elusive.

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Airfield Bombing Ranges 29 Jun 2016 12:29 #16

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Interestingly RAF Detling, Kent, appears to have had a practice bombing range within the airfield landing area after it stopped operational flying. On an aerial photo taken in 1946 the range arrow and the target square are clearly visible. They disappear soon afterwards and did not appear on any of the photographs whilst the station was operational.
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Airfield Bombing Ranges 29 Jun 2016 13:46 #17

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I think the arrow is made from ground signal fabric strips and may have been set up as part of an exercise by a local unit, at West Malling perhaps. The square is also probably fashioned from signal strips as well. as the area it is quite small it was probably used for low level or dive bombing. Scoring was probably photographic unless a couple of quadrants were installed, although this seems unlikely.

This photo also highlights the fleeting nature of some airfield features as this might never have come to light if the photo was taken a few months before or after! As is normal for any photographic it proves some thing was there if it appears in the photo but it doesn't prove something wasn't there just because it doesn't appear on the photo.

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Airfield Bombing Ranges 20 Aug 2016 14:35 #18

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From information I have gathered so far on pre-war ranges suggest that there was no standard target design for practice bombing on land and this also applied to aerodromes. This seems to have changed by the late thirties when the circle and cross type was in common use. To try to collate evidence I am seeking sources of pre-1936 RAF airfield vertical or obliques that might show these bombing targets, assuming they were present. These are not the landing circles which could be quite large but much smaller, reflecting the lower height at which aerodrome practice bombing was carried out, sometimes less than 20ft in diameter. I have seen a 1935 film which shows a circle with a dot in the centre (later used on some smaller land ranges eg Ash and Eagle Tower)and a photo of Hawkinge which shows concentric circles.

The film example followed shots of 500 Sqn's Virginias at Manston and would imply it was somewhere they used but unit records only record Porton and Leysdown ranges being used. Porton is possible but it did use the circle and cross type, although this could have been a replacement. Did Manston have its own airfield range or one nearby?

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