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TOPIC: 2 ARD 1918

2 ARD 1918 05 Jun 2018 19:31 #1

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My grandfather's RAF record from 1918 to 1920 states that he was with 2 ARD/178. He was then transferred to Halton Camp and then Depak (Lepak?) Also on his record is Unit 151 - Enlisted Ste II (Handwriting is hard to decipher).

Could you shed any light on this, please?

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2 ARD 1918 05 Jun 2018 21:08 #2

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No. 2 Aircraft Repair Depot (ARD) was at Coal Aston, Sheffield.
The depak reference is RAF Depot, Uxbridge

Looks like he enlisted 01-09-18 at an unknown place, and sent to Coal Aston on 24-10-1918, then to Halton Camp in October 1919, then to RAF Depot Uxbridge, then on 22-01-1920 back to Halton.
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2 ARD 1918 05 Jun 2018 22:26 #3

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Thank you so much for your prompt response! He ended up as a coal miner in Derbyshire, so maybe he went back to where he was stationed.
Could he have enlisted in Ireland? He always said he was drafted into the British army in Ireland in 1916. Is there absolutely any way that could be true? My grandfather never mentioned he was in the RAF but said he was a batman for a General. How does that fit in with this story?

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2 ARD 1918 06 Jun 2018 07:28 #4

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The 1916 Irish connection might explain why he was posted directly to Coal Aston rather than Halton or Uxbridge for basic training, as presumably he had already done this while in the Army. So yes it is entirely possible that he had transferred over, after all the RFC / early days of the RAF was made up of ex-army personnel, who even kept their former regiment uniforms as the RAF one was not yet available.
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2 ARD 1918 06 Jun 2018 08:23 #5

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The US Archives, FOLD3 has records of British Army WW1 Servicemen but the John Crowe list is extensive. A middle name might help:

Try here:

www.fold3.com/browse/250/hTFIk1HLXSooI8J03Mk2KHT-BWSK8yjGl

But you have to be a paid-up member to access the actual records.
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2 ARD 1918 06 Jun 2018 09:14 #6

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Conscription was NOT in force in Ireland in wwi, the government realised that there would be major problems with the home rule factions over it. And in wwii the north unlike the rest of the UK didnt have conscription either. But approx 50,000 people volunterred from the Free State as it was then called.

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2 ARD 1918 06 Jun 2018 11:19 #7

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Canberra, I don't think it was the Irish Free State until 1922.

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2 ARD 1918 06 Jun 2018 20:54 #8

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He didn't have a middle name and yes, Crowe is an annoyingly common Irish surname. I've tried the site and couldn't find anyone who fitted the bill.
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2 ARD 1918 06 Jun 2018 21:18 #9

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On Fold3, I've found a few J Crowes who looked like they were around in 1918 and one who joined the army in 1916. However, their service number does not match my grandad's. Did service numbers ever change? Or does this mean it isn't my grandad?

The guy was also a Rigger. What's a rigger?

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2 ARD 1918 07 Jun 2018 07:46 #10

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A rigger worked on the airframe, as opposed to the engine - the term coming from the rigging between the struts of a biplane

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