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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 08 Oct 2017 11:57 #11

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AFAIK mustard gas has never been banned, in modern speak I believe its whats called an "incapacitant agent" or something like that.

And dont forget Bowes moor in County Durham held the RAF stocks of mustard gas.

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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 10 Oct 2017 15:16 #12

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for background on Mustard Gas this wiki page is a good starting point

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_mustard

and the two international agreements which include Mustard Gas are

Geneva Protocol of 1925
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Protocol

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Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention

A quick search shows there are 167 references to Mustard Gas on this forum
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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 10 Oct 2017 15:17 #13

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There is to be a Public Meeting at Woodhall Spa

WOODHALL SPA – RESIDENTS LIVING NEAR TO WOODLAND
A public meeting will be held on the evening of Thursday, October 12, 2017, at 6.30pm, where we will update the community in regard to the recent discovery of Mustard Gas in woodland off Kirkby Lane.

The meeting is primarily aimed at those living in close proximity to the woodland. At the meeting the Army, Police and District Council will all provide updates and details of next steps in addressing the issue of contaminated land. There will also be the chance for the community to ask questions.

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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 10 Oct 2017 17:16 #14

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netcompsys wrote: There is to be a Public Meeting at Woodhall Spa

WOODHALL SPA – RESIDENTS LIVING NEAR TO WOODLAND
A public meeting will be held on the evening of Thursday, October 12, 2017, at 6.30pm, where we will update the community in regard to the recent discovery of Mustard Gas in woodland off Kirkby Lane.

The meeting is primarily aimed at those living in close proximity to the woodland. At the meeting the Army, Police and District Council will all provide updates and details of next steps in addressing the issue of contaminated land. There will also be the chance for the community to ask questions.


Although not in th ELDC statement above, I understand this meeting will be at the Petwood Hotel

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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 11 Oct 2017 15:33 #15

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netcompsys wrote: for background on Mustard Gas this wiki page is a good starting point
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_mustard

That is a very complex article. I checked out the only bit I could understand and found it to be rubbish. e.g.

Formulations

In its history, various types and mixtures of sulfur mustard have been employed. These include:
H – Also known as HS ("Hun Stuff") ...

HD – Codenamed Pyro by the British, and Distilled Mustard by the US. Distilled sulfur mustard (bis(2-chloroethyl) sulfide); approximately 96% pure. The term "mustard gas" usually refers to this variety of sulfur mustard. A much-used path of synthesis was based upon the reaction of thiodiglycol with hydrochloric acid.

HT – Codenamed Runcol by the British, and Mustard T- mixture by the US. A mixture of 60% sulfur mustard (HD) and 40% T (bis[2-(2-chloroethylthio)ethyl] ether), a related vesicant with lower freezing point, lower volatility and similar vesicant characteristics
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Pyro as originally used by the British was HS, not HD. However being unstable it was modified into several forms, the most common being HB / Y13 (benzene added) and HM / Y5 (magnesium oxide crumbs, monochlorobenzene and carbon tetrachloride added) and HBV / Y14 . some variants however were distilled - hence the 'D' in the coding HBD / Y25 and HBDV / Y26. (The 'Y' codings were Air Ministry allocations to the ICI's 'H' codings).

It was Runcol (HT / Y3) that was produced from thiodiclycol (syrup) with hydrochloric acid, not Pyro. The latter was the ethylene / sulfur dichloride based process. The British were very keen to exploit the Runcol process as- pre-1939 - the fear was that most of Europe's ethylene production would be under the control of the Nazis. At the end of WWII, UK RAF stocks of bulk mustard were 78 per cent Runcol and 22 per cent Pyro.

The army would use different variants but Wiki's facts are incorrect

Source: lots of TNA files.
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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 12 Oct 2017 06:38 #16

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I started to read the article and stopped at the first disagreement between what was stated and what is written in acknowledged technical publications! Wiki is OK for a quick familiarisation of a topic but must always be regarded as suspicious regardless of the impressive Bibliography which follows many articles.

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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 12 Oct 2017 09:00 #17

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Last Tuesdays press release from the police indicates that 11 boxes of wahtever it is have been found and that they are considering permanent restrictions on access to the area

Work continues at the lake in Stixwould, with the Royal Navy Bomb Disposal Dive Team, Army Bomb Disposal, Lincolnshire Fire & Rescue, EMAS, Environment Agency and Lincolnshire Police on site.

Supt Phil Vickers said: "I am satisfied with the progress being made so far – Protecting the public and responders on scene remains our priority, so all agencies are working in the safest way possible to achieve that. We are also at Roughton Moor Wood in Woodhall Spa and can confirm that a total of 11 boxes have been located, with the search ongoing.

"We are working with East Lindsey District Council and Lincolnshire Wildlife Trust to consider whether any restriction on access to the site may be appropriate for the future. I’m grateful for the support of all of the agencies involved and positive comments from the local community. We will continue to keep everyone updated on progress".

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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 12 Oct 2017 17:38 #18

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This the latest picture from the police

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140 canisters in the wood and 10 from the lake
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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 13 Oct 2017 08:33 #19

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Clearly not glass 'bottles' as mentioned in the earlier reports.

Those are 6 pound Ground Bombs. Standing on their noses. The filling plug is on top coated with detector paint. There is (or would have been) a cap or lid on the bottom under which was a Striker Stick and a Match Composition head leading to a safety fuze and black powder charge. The Bomb was activated by removing the lid and using the Striker Stick to scratch along the match composition strip.

Inverting the image shows that the code Y3 is stencilled on the central Yellow band. Y3 designated HT (60% mustard, 40% vesicant T)

The Red ring indicates that it is filled. The overall body colour would have been grey and my BD notes indicate that a Brown band, if present, indicated a body shell of cast-iron.

Blame the Army!
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Mustard Gas found north of Woodhall Spa 13 Oct 2017 14:23 #20

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I have to ask why the Navy EOD are inlvolved?!

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