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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 10 May 2018 15:27 #1

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Whilst at a family gathering I was told about a manual that had been passed into one of the families. The attached photos show the header page and a sample illustration.





The header page appears to show the number 1214 at the bottom and 1209 further up but as these are hardly likely to be dates I assumed they were a reference number. Most of the manual is text with few illustrations (i Haven't seen it) but the one attached appears to be a version of the Bren Gun or its predecessor, as it has a short magazine. I suspect it is a field manual and may even have been translated from another countries version, possibly British.

EDIT: The Lion and Sword is Iranian (Persian up to 1935)

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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 10 May 2018 18:09 #2

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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 10 May 2018 19:44 #3

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Hi Peter,

The numbers are 1309 and 1314 - there's an extra 'flick' which changes the arabic for 2 into a 3 if you see what I mean (that's probably not a great description!)
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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 10 May 2018 19:47 #4

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Peter ~ my Persian translator believes its the 2nd part of a annual issued to the army staff during the Pahlavi dynasty. The picture shows how sections of a machine gun should be displayed for inspection.
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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 10 May 2018 20:15 #5

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Brilliant. I wasn't expecting any replies as this was such an odd subject.

Agree it is a Czech Zb26 or a later version of it.

Agree with the numbers. I didn't notice the extra squiggle or that such a small difference produces a different number. I wonder how many errors were made by bad writing?

The annual makes more sense than a manual. The font cover have the same text as the header page and is embossed in red on a royal blue background. It is also hard cover.

The owner of the book got in touch to say that the numbers might by dates. However 1314 equates to 1896 which is too early for the gun or the dynasty.
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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 11 May 2018 16:46 #6

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A couple of years ago I translated a book from German to English using a combination of an OCR program and Google Translate. The results from Google were at times hilarious to say the least but with the help of an acquaintance, and the fact I had a smattering of German myself, I somehow came up with what was considered a very reasonable translation.
This crossed my mind this afternoon and I ran (no pun intended!) the ocr program on the text in the second photo. Sad to say, the translation made absolutely no sense at all except perhaps this bit -

"AA 3 Ensure that the balloon and ballot are free of charge"

I guess this translates as "make sure it's not loaded!"

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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 11 May 2018 19:45 #7

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mothminor wrote: "AA 3 Ensure that the balloon and ballot are free of charge"


Sounds more like a trendy pub in downtown Tehran that is free to serving military or militia :)

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One for Gun experts and/or Arabic speakers 11 May 2018 21:23 #8

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Good one, Peter :) The rest of the translation certainly looked like it had been written by one of their regulars towards the end of Happy Hour!

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