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TOPIC: Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives

Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 11 May 2018 16:06 #1

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I keep wondering about one for overhead pictures of things like grave slabs, don't need to fly much more than ten foot or so high, could even have a tether attached.

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 11 May 2018 19:40 #2

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Some low level photos can be taken with tripod and boom (graves) or adapted window cleaner poles for 15 - 20 ft height (ideal for buildings). Selfie sticks,or mono-pods are great for vehicles and some aircraft, both giving that extra reach. Downside is that the long poles need remote vision or luck with a self-timer.

The drone rules do seem a bit limiting for most users as you will need to keep a good lookout on the ground for people straying into the 50 metre area or keep the drone above fifty metres, or isn't that what is meant? I don't know how you can have a building under your control but again is this based on a three dimensional limit? Still they prevent Amazon's drone delivery scheme.
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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 11 May 2018 20:03 #3

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Yes, seen examples from a group that became expert at pole and kite photography/

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 11 May 2018 20:43 #4

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mbriscoe wrote: I keep wondering about one for overhead pictures of things like grave slabs, don't need to fly much more than ten foot or so high, could even have a tether attached.

If you have your drone in beginner mode, then its tethered to you. The drone will only fly 30 feet from you.

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 06 Jun 2018 17:06 #5

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Until two years ago I used to fly radio controlled helicopters. Not the same as drones, I know, but we were all under the same CAP658 rules.

I note that the latest ANO makes no mention of CAP658, which we were meant to abide by in addition to the ANO of the day.
Assuming CAP658 is still in order, then it would seem there is at least one additional criteria (bold) that may still be salient alongside the revised ANO.

4.2.3
Article 167 – Small unmanned surveillance aircraft
‘(1) The person in charge of a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not fly the aircraft in any of the circumstances described in paragraph (2) except in
accordance with a permission issued by the CAA.
(2) The circumstances referred to in paragraph (1) are:
(a) over or within 150 metres of any congested area;

(b) over or within 150 metres of an organised open-air assembly of more than 1,000 persons;
(c) within 50 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure which is not under the control of the person in charge of the aircraft; or
(d) subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), within 50 metres of any person.
(3) Subject to paragraph (4), during take-off or landing, a small unmanned surveillance aircraft must not be flown within 30 metres of any person.
(4) Paragraphs (2)(d) and (3) do not apply to the person in charge of the small unmanned surveillance aircraft or a person under the control of the person in
charge of the aircraft.
publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP658%204%...01%20June%202013.pdf

I know this is an older version of CAP658 but....

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 06 Jun 2018 17:21 #6

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Peter Kirk wrote: The drone rules do seem a bit limiting for most users as you will need to keep a good lookout on the ground for people straying into the 50 metre area or keep the drone above fifty metres

Yes, they're meant to be limiting. When FPV (First Person View) setups started getting used on rc helis, the requirement was that the person operating the heli and wearing the VR goggles had to have a second person there at all times to oversee the aircraft in case any of the VR equipment failed. It may still be such in CAP658, so having someone as a lookout has been there for rc heli peeps for yonks. Not a bad rule for drones, as many of those are FPV these days anyway.

Peter Kirk wrote: I don't know how you can have a building under your control but again is this based on a three dimensional limit?

Yes. You have a building under your control by having the means to deny access to it by other people.

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 06 Jun 2018 18:51 #7

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CAP 658 is still alive and kicking on the CAA website. As you'll probably know, this applies to anything up to 20kg. Above that, CAP 722 applies. Both are guidance and acceptable means of compliance, interpreting what's in the ANO, but the latter is the actual law.
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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 15 Jun 2018 06:15 #8

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Articles last week that GE ( USA ) announced the official launch of AiRXOS -- a new company that will speed the safe, efficient integration of manned and unmanned vehicles, or drones, in the air and on the ground.

AiRXOS is taking part in pilot programs in San Diego, Memphis, and the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma

www.airxos.io/

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 20 Dec 2018 15:10 #9

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This thread became reactivated following the disruption caused by drones overflying London Gatwick in December 2018

I can imagine the law being tightened up, one person was saying the 1KM restriction around airports is inadequate.

BBC News showed a picture of a group of what were described as "police snipers" around a car though at least one weapon looked more like a shotgun. So perhaps they are are prepared to shoot them down. Sure there is more going on out of sight.

Unusually the police have given out the 999 number for any information about the drones, normally would expect the 101 to be given out.

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Drones - Use, Misuse and alternatives 20 Dec 2018 15:14 #10

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An archaeology club has done a lot of promotion of using poles, kites etc which are often quite adequate for an overhead view of somewhere. I have been tempted myself because I do not want the hassle of drone legislation.

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