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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 14:39 #1

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Whilst researching the history of the Birdlip/Winstone Radio Stations, I encountered the following which perhaps someone can clarify for me:-
(1) During November 1944 the above Wing carried out M.S.R. and H.S.T. training at Birdlip but can anyone explain what these initials refer to - I assume it is some form of telegraphic training?
(2) On the 10/12/1944 Birdlip ceased 'K' broadcasts, presumably under the auspices of 81 (S) Wing but does anyone know what type of transmissions this actually refers to?
Hoping someone can assist.
Regards and thanks,
Colin

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 16:09 #2

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MSR seems to be Morse Slip Reader
www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/07/a4752407.shtml

HST - I'm wondering about 'High Speed'

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 16:12 #3

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Downrange ~ link to a reference for WW2 speak attached ( listed as Morse Slip Reader & High Speed Telegraphist )

ww2f.com/threads/abbreviations-and-acron...rvice-records.37304/

K Band wiki link may help ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_in_World_War_II

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 16:32 #4

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Very many thanks for the prompt and helpful responses, once again this excellent forum has delivered the results!
I didn't appreciate that K Band transmissions were sent by this Wing from Birdlip, it's the first reference that I have encountered for its use from this location!

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 17:51 #5

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Microwave links were used in WWII, I think there was one across the Channel after D-Day and there were propagation tests done between about half a dozen (or more) sites around the Irish Sea over several years. But K Band sounds too high for that period.

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 19:45 #6

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Thanks, I am inclined to agree !......

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 20:02 #7

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My feeling is that 'K Band' and 'K broadcasts' are two entirely different things.

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 20:08 #8

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There is a reference to K Broadcasts in RAF Signals 1939-1945

Meteorological Broadcasts by W/T

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These transmissions were made in confidential meteorological code. .... The transmissions were known as 'Alfig Issues' and were specially designed for the use of meteorological stations overseas and for mobile stations. ...

'Alfig' broadcasts were timed to fit in with special and 'K' broadcasts so as not to overlap.

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Can't see any more references to K Broadcasts or MSR or HST. My suspicion would be that HST was High Speed Telegraphy.

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 14 Apr 2017 21:22 #9

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The date must be significant ~ 10 Dec 44 ~ I believed the only broadcasts that were suspended after D Day and before VE day were some of the propaganda channels ?

However I believed that they were from transmitters located in the south east ?

Have a recollection from about three years ago of some one contacting ARG who was in the process of writing a book on these radio stations.

Would have though that the Birdlip location would have something to do with the western approaches and with the fighting bogged down on nearing the German boarder ~ If we knew were the original statements came from that may assist.

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RAF 81 (Signals) Wing, Great Witcombe, Glos. 15 Apr 2017 11:41 #10

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Very many thanks, that makes perfect sense as it ties in with comments on the Met' broadcast schedule around this period.
Much obliged.
Colin

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