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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 16 Aug 2016 19:29 #1

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Does anybody have any information about this unit. Date it was formed and airfields it was connected to. I understand it was previously known as No 16 Group Practice camp

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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 16 Aug 2016 21:35 #2

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Originally No2 Armament Training Station at Aldergove on 1/4/1938 but was redesignated as No3 AOS on 17/4/1939. It used the Lough Neagh ranges whilst it was an ATS.

t was formed as No2 Armament Practice Camp on 5/11/1941 at Thorney Island. It moved to Bircham Newton on 16/6/1943 with Docking as satellite and also used Langham for a short while. It appears to have closed for a while but by July 1945 it reformed as No2 Armament Practice Station at Bradwell Bay moving to Spilsby in September 1945.

Whilst at Thorney Isalnd they would have used Pagham Harbour ranges and a wreck on Pullar Bank. At Bircham Newton they would have used North Wootton Ranges and possibly Coxford Heath.

I have no record of it being known as 16 Group Practice Camp though.

Coastal Command were the first to reintroduce the Armament Practice Camps in 1941 with Aldergrove (No1) and Thorney Isaland (No2). The later practice cames appeared from 1942 onward and their primary concern was raising the standards of operational units mainly to be ready for Overlord.

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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 16 Aug 2016 21:38 #3

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Perhaps you mean 2 Air Armament School ?

TNA has a record in Discovery.....

discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7160854

2 Air Armament School, based at North Coates Fitties, Eastchurch, Pembrey and Newton Down; later ...

Air Ministry and Ministry of Defence: Operations Record Books, Miscellaneous Units. TRAINING UNITS. Described at item level. 2 Air Armament School, based at North Coates Fitties, Eastchurch, Pembrey and Newton Down; later became 3 Ground Armament School within 24 Group and moved to Porthcawl and Stormy Down (UK).

Held by: The National Archives - Air Ministry and Royal Air Force records
Date: 01 November 1937 - 31 January 1942
Reference: AIR 29/588
Subjects: Air Force | Armed Forces (General Administration) | Operations, battles and campaigns | Weapons


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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 17 Aug 2016 14:38 #4

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Keeping on the North Coates theme, Bill Taylor's article in October 2004's Airfield Review, still available from the ARG Store (shameless plug :) ), says 2 Armament Training Camp arrived in Jan 1932 in 25 Group moving on in 1936 to Aldergrove.

2 Air Armament School formed at NC 1st November 1937 and was redesignated 1 Air Observers School on 1st March 1938 moving to Penrhos on 4th Sepember 1939

I expect the travel clerk was confused as well.....

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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 17 Aug 2016 15:22 #5

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To make things more confusing the keep changing the names! The original was Armament Training Camp, which ran from about 1926 to 1938. they were then renamed Armament Training Stations from 1938 until renamed to other units eg AOS the following year. The next reincarnation came in 1941 with the Armament Practice Camp and this lasted until 1945/6 when it became Armament Practice Stations. Not sure why the constant tinkering but assume it was someones desire to make a mark as the actual work carried out would have evolved to meet requirements anyway.

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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 18 Aug 2016 12:43 #6

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Thanks for your input guys, I am aware of the confusing new changes with these units. There is no doubt about the name, the problem lies with the location. A chair ( one of two ) currently on EBay shows stencilling on the back which reads RAF NORTH COATES No 2 ARM PRAC CAMP .

In 1927 an Armaments Practice Camp was set up at North Coates Fittes ( note the name ) until 1932. The name RAF NORTH COATES came into being in 1940. The chair is a standard stacking chair of the 1940s period and no doubt thousands of these were in RAF service. However my research and that of Bill Taylor can find no reference to No 2 Armaments Practice Camp ever having been at RAF North Coates. I did find an obscure reference to this unit originally being named 16 Group Armament Practice Camp, 16 Group and RAF North Coates being Coastal Command I considered there may be an outside chance that maybe RAF north Coates may have been an outstation albeit briefly. There is certainly no mention of this unit in the North Coates ORB. I currently have one of these chairs at North Coates and close scrutiny of the stencilling does look old and genuine but with the research drawing a blank there can be only one conclusion.

Netcompsy I know you are local if you want to cast your eyes over it for a second opinion you are very welcome, you have my details

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No 2 Armaments Practice Camp 18 Aug 2016 21:23 #7

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Brian, I will be in touch by email

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